We were delighted to announce that The Perks of Being a Book Lover won several Positive Change Podcast Awards in 2023, including Best Co-Host Team and Best Seasoned Podcast.
A show where two long-time, totally opposite friends chat about books and reading
with each other and a special guest.
Book lovers are everywhere:
Authors of all kinds, librarians, dramaturgs, slam poets, and book club members to name a few.
Talking about books is one of our favorite things to do (besides eating cheese).
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If you’ve listened to our show for a while, you may be aware that we’ve interviewed several Ohio authors. Katrina Kittle, Erin Flanagan, Christina Consolino, and Sharon Short (who has also published under the name Jess Montgomery) have all been guests and all are part of a writing group called the Cute City Bitches.
But there was one writer in that group whom we hadn’t yet interviewed, but now we have. Meredith Doench teaches creative writing and literature at the University of Dayton and is a writer of sapphic thrillers, which is perfect since June is Pride Month. We’re delighted she joined us to talk about her latest book titled Never Say Die, a novel about a detective named Rory Scott who has to contend with her own mother-daughter issues when someone in the community for the second time in six years, kidnaps a young girl and murders a teenager. Meredith talks to us about her love of crime novels and how writing and marketing novels with LGBTQ characters has changed since she began publishing.
Our book rec segment of the show this week focuses on books with unusual narrators. These are narrators who aren’t human, and they might not even be tangible. We’ve got books narrated by sheep, Death, and dead people, as well as a mechanically-inclined world traveling gorilla, a Mediterranean fig tree, and a centenarian tortoise.
Books Mentioned In This Episode:
1- Never Say Die by Meredith Doench
2- Crossed by Meredith Doench
3- This American Woman: A One in a Million Memoir by Zarna Garg
4- Sister Novelists: The Trailblazing Porter Sisters Who Paved the Way for Austen and the Brontes by Devoney Looser
5- Remarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van Pelt
6- Lord of the Flies by William Golding
7- Heartwood by Amity Gaige
8- Deer Season by Erin Flanagan
9- The Keepers of the House by Shirley Ann Grau
10- Predatory Natures by Amy Goldsmith
11- A Book Recommended by a Fellow Book Lover Michele Terranova @bookwhisperer22 - I See You've Called in Dead by John Kenney
12- Three Bags Full by Leonie Swann
13- The Book Thief by Markus Zusak
14- The Lovely Bones by Alice Sebold
15- The Murderer's Ape by Jakob Wegelius
16- The Island of the Missing Trees by Elif Shafak
17- The Tortoise's Tale by Kendra Coulter
Media Mentioned:
1- Remarkably Bright Creatures (Netflix, 2026)
2- Lord of the Flies (Netflix, 2026)
3- I Know My Name is Steven (1989)
4- Sheep Detectives (2026)
5- The Book Thief (2013)
6- The Lovely Bones (2009)
If you’re a historical fiction lover, you’ve probably read something by Alyson Richman. She’s the author of 11 novels, including The Missing Pages, which was published last fall. We were delighted that she agreed to come on the show and speak to us about this book, although we did sneak in a question about The Velvet Hours published in 2016, which our book club read many years ago. It is about a real Paris courtesan in the Belle Epoque who in her later years as World War II approaches shares her life story with her granddaughter.
The Missing Pages is a historical fiction novel that is about a man’s love of books, but it is also a ghost tale, a romance, and a story of the Titanic all rolled into one. Richman is known for making the reader feel the sumptuous details of the world she is writing about, and she does it again in this book.
Our book rec segment of the show is all about musicians, but we’re not talking solely about musician memoirs, although we do have one of those. We’ve got a children’s nonfiction book about a Ukrainian pianist who performed for Nazsis, a National Book Award winner, a mystery about a stolen violin, a story about a wedding singer whose own relationship is on the rocks, and a coming of age story set in the 1970s that includes a rock star.
Books Mentioned in This Episode:
1- The Missing Pages by Alyson Richman
2- The Velvet Hours by Alyson Richman
3- The Personal Librarian by Marie Benedict and Victoria Christopher Murray
4- All the Beauty in the World by Patrick Bringley
5- Buckeye by Patrick Ryan
6- The Hare with the Amber Eyes by Edmund de Waal
7- Underlake by Erin L. McCoy
8- The Unselected Journals of Emma M. Lion by Beth Brower
9- A Five Star Read from fellow Book Lover Anima D. @autopsyofbooks - And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie
10- The Encore by Juliet Izon
11- Songs For Other People's Weddings by David Levithan and Jens Lekman
12- Alias Anna: A True Story of Outwitting the Nazis by Susan Hood and Greg Dawson
13- Mary Jane by Jessica Anya Blau
14- The Storyteller: Tales of Life and Music by David Grohl
15- The Violin Conspiracy by Brendan Slocumb
We were sad last fall that we weren’t able to record with our favorite bookseller, Sam Miller, manager at the Frankfort Ave location of Carmichael’s Bookstore for our Holiday Book Buying episode. But she is back for summer, telling us all about the new titles that will get you excited to sit back on a hot afternoon, either at the pool or in the air conditioning, and read to your heart’s content.
Books Mentioned In This Episode:
1- The Last Garden in England by Julia Kelly
2- The Grand Paloma Resort by Cleyvis Natera
3- Angel Down by Daniel Kraus
4- A book that Changed a Life - Sisters of the Yam by bell hooks recommended by Briana Lathon Bluford
5- Yesteryear by Claro Claire Burke
6- American Fantasy by Emma Straub
7- Whistler by Ann Patchett
8- Puck by Samantha Allen
9- Calamity Club by Kathryn Stockett
10- Fortune of Sand by Ruta Sepetys
11- Go Gentle by Maria Semple
12- Country People by Daniel Mason
13- These Days by Lucy Caldwell
14- Devotions by Lucy Caldwell
15- Opening by Lucy Caldwell
16- Pirate Queen by Ariel Lawhorn
17- The Keeper by Tana French (Cal Hooper #3)
18- Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth
19- Killer Vibes by Jack Friday
20- Fishbone Cinderella by Elizabeth Lim
21- Ignore All Previous Instructions by Ada Hoffman
22- Sublimation by Isabel Kim
23- Book Witch by Meg Shaffer
24- We Burn So Bright b y TJ Klune
25- Moss'd in Space by Rebecca Thorrne
26- American Rambler by Isaac Fitzgerald
27- Checkmate: Genius, Lies, Ambition, and the Biggest Scandal in Chess by Ben Mezrich
28- The Housewives Underground: The Untold Story of the Women who Made the JFK Assassination Our Most Enduring Mystery by Kaitlyn Tiffany
29- The Carpool Detectives by Chuck Hogan
30- The Family Man: Blood and Betrayal in the House of Murdaugh by James Lasdun
31- True Biz by Sara Novíc
32- Mother Tongue by Sara Novíc
33- The Left and the Lucky by Willy Vlautin
34- London Falling: A Mysterious Death in a Gilded City and Family's Search for Truth by Patrick Radden Keefe
35- 4 Janes by Marian See
36- Love and Other Monsters by Emily Franklin
37- This Is Not About Us by Allegra Goodman
38- Darkology: Blackface and the American Way of Entertainment by Rhae Lynn Barnes
39- Hello Beautiful by Ann Napolitano
40- The Forest Lover by Susan Vreeland
Media Mentioned:
1- White Lotus (2021 - present, HBO Max)
2-2026 Pulitzer Prize Winner for Fiction - https://www.pulitzer.org/news/2026-pulitzer-prize-announcement
This week on the podcast we welcome middle grade and young adult novelist Aaron Starmer whose most recent book, You Are Now Old Enough to Hear This, is a quirky middle grade novel about a Toe Beast and a girl who travels with a pack of dogs and a boy named Roman who learns some family secrets. That sounds like a lot so we are glad Aaron joins us to explain it all in a much more succinct way than we ever could. And his 2025 YA novel Night Swimming just came out in paperback this week.
And our book recommendation segment of the show is about aliens because what pairs better with a quirky novel than some extraterrestrials? We have Hugo- and Nebula Award-winning titles, a book about alien garbage, a wacky buddy road trip adventure, literary fiction about a girl who doesn’t feel human, and a philosophical first contact story starring the Catholic Church.
Books Mentioned in this Episode:
1- You Are Old Enough To Hear This by Aaron Starmer
2- Night Swimming by Aaron Starmer
3- The Last Garden in England by Julia Kelly
4- Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman
5- Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir
6- The Humans by Matt Haig
7- The Riverman by Aaron Starmer
8- The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler
9- Pathogenesis: A History of the World in Eight Plagues by Jonathan Kennedy
10- The Art of Vanishing by Morgan Pager
11- A 5 Star Read by Fellow Book Lover Tess @books_andthebeach - Shy Creatures by Clare Chambers
12- The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet (Wayfarers #1) by Becky Chambers
13- The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell
14- Roadside Picnic by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky
15- Beautyland by Marie-Helene Bertino
16- Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
17- The Road to Roswell by Connie Willis
Media Mentioned in this Episode:
1- Whitehall Book Club - https://www.historicwhitehall.org/whitehall-book-club
2- Resident Alien - (2021-2025, Netflix)
3- Project Hail Mary (2026)
Now you may be familiar with the Folger Shakespeare Library’s editions of Shakespeare’s works. In fact, Carrie is still using some of hers from high school. But she had no idea this world-famous research library in Washington DC had a book club. As a Shakespeare enthusiast, she was definitely intrigued, and we are so excited that emma poltrack, the Arts Engagement Program Manager for the Folger Shakespeare Library, agreed to join us and tell us all about the book club.
Our book rec segment this week are books about…..book clubs! We’ve got two memoirs about book clubs–one made up of professor friends and the other between a mother and son. We’ve got a horror novel with a book club that battles vampires, an intergenerational mystery-solving book club in England, a women’s fiction novel about a book club that asks its members to present the book that matters most, and a writing and reading group for Punjabi women in London that’s breaking boundaries.
Books Mentioned in this Episode
1- The Last Garden in England by Julia Kelly
2- The Calculating Stars (A Lady Astronaut series) by Mary Robinette Kowal
3- The Martian Conspiracy by Mary Robinette Kowal
4- Dating Dr. Dil by Nisha Sharma
5- Tastes like Shakkar by Nisha Sharma
6- Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin
7- The Death I Gave Him by Em X. Liu
8- Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell
9- Black Cake by Charmaine Wilkerson
10- Birnam Wood by Eleanor Catton
11- Fair Rosaline by Natasha Solomons
12- Well Met by Jen DeLuca
13- Emily Wilde's Encyclopedia of Faeries by Heather Fawcett
14- Booth by Karen Joy Fowler
15- The Fraud by Zadie Smith
16- It Goes So Fast by Mary Louise Kelly
17- The Beheading Game by Rebecca Lehman
18- The Night We Became Strangers by Lorena Hughes
19- Shibby Magee by Carrie Kabak
20- A Five Star Read by Fellow Book Lover Abigail @nobadbooks - Lady Tremaine by Rachel Hochhauser
21- The Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires by Grady Hendrix
22- The Book That Matters Most by Ann Hood
23- The Toni Morrison Book Club by Juda Bennett, Winnifred Brown-Glaude, Cassandra Jackson, and Piper Kendrix Williams
24- The End of Your Life Book Club by Will Schwalbe
25- The Busybody Book Club by Freya Sampson
26- Erotic Stories for Punjabi Widows: A Novel by Balli Kaur Jaswal
Media Mentioned:
1- For All Mankind (Apple +, 2019 - present)
2- But That's Another Story Podcast (featuring Will Schwalbe)
3 - Whitehall House and Gardens Book Club - https://www.historicwhitehall.org/whitehall-book-club
What is a food that, when you smell it or taste it, reminds you of a person or a place? Our guest this week, Daria Lavelle, has written a novel titled Aftertaste that asks what would happen if you could summon ghosts with food. This isn’t a horror novel, so these ghosts aren’t here to haunt us in the traditional sense. But the main character, Kostya, is a chef who helps his clients find closure from their loss and grief through food memories. Lavelle’s novel is super unique, and she talks to us about her own Ukrainian-American family’s passion for food, how Covid and Russia’s war on Ukraine heavily affected its writing, and how love becomes the crux of all the book’s momentum.
Our book rec segment of the show features women in STEM doing all kinds of cool sciency, techny, engineery, and mathy things. We’ve got women doing research in the Amazon and under the sea, women physicists, young girls learning botany, Regency period women studying fossils, and female scientists who bring back a woolly mammoth.
Books Mentioned In This Episode
1- War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
2- Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight by Alexandra Fuller
3- The Lost Year by Katherine Marsh
4- The Everlasting by Alix E. Harrow
5- A Wish in the Dark by Christina Soontornvat
6- Replaceable You: Adventures in Human Anatomy by Mary Roach
7- A Five Star Read Recommended by Fellow Book Lover Kris N. @theretiredlibrarian - Beth is Dead by Katie Bernet
8- The Evolution of Calpurnia Tate by Jacqueline Kelly
9- The Last Animal by Ramona Ausubel
10- Remarkable Creatures by Tracy Chevalier
11- The Woman Who Split the Atom: The Life of Lise Meitner by Marissa Moss
12- State of Wonder by Ann Patchett
13- Our Wives Under the Sea by Julia Armfield
Media Mentioned --
1- Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight (2024)
2- Bringing Back Wooly Mammoths - https://www.npr.org/2026/03/04/nx-s1-5704318/colossal-woolly-mammoth-dire-wolf
This week, we chat with Chicago resident Betsy Tomszak who by day is a kindergarten teacher who reads lots and lots of picture books. After school hours, though, she is a reader of all kinds of other genres and the host of the podcast Books with Betsy. She was kind enough to invite us to be guests last summer, and we’re finally able to return the favor so she can tell our listeners all about her show. We get the nitty gritty about why she started the podcast and why she wanted to talk to regular readers.
Our book recommendation segment of the show this week is about characters in disguise. Sometimes a disguise is just to mask one’s appearance, but in other situations it is not only a physical disguise but an assumption of an entirely different personality and back story. We offer you historical fiction novels set in Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany, a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography, a novel based on a medieval legend, a National Book Award winner, and a memoir.
Books Mentioned in this Episode:
1- War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
2- My Father's Paradise: A Son's Search for his Jewish Past in Kurdish Iraq by Ariel Sabar
3- Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë
4- Maybe You Should Talk to Someone: A Therapist, Her Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed by Lori Gottlieb
5- Say Hello to My Little Friend by Jennine Capo Crucet
6- So You Wanna Be On Top? by Sarah Hartshorne
7- Tender is the Flesh by Agustina Bazterrica
8- I Who Have Never Known Men by Jacqueline Hartman
9- Rules of Civility by Amor Towles
10- A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles
11- Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver
12- Summerdale by David Jay Collins
13- The Great Believers by Rebecca Makkai
14- The Wilderness by Angela Flournoy
15- The Authenticity Project by Clare Pooley
16- Sundial by Catriona Ward
17- A Five Start Read recommended by Fellow Book Lover Jeanine Neale @jeans_stacked_shelf - Nobody Knows You are Here by Bryn Greenwood
18- The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas
19- Master Slave, Husband Wife: An Epic Journey from Slavery to Freedom by Ilyoon Woo
20- Journey to Munich by Jacqueline Winspear
21- Pope Joan: A Novel by Donna Woolfolk Cross
22- Garlic and Sapphires: The Secret Life of a Critic in Disguise by Ruth Reichl
23- The Good Lord Bird by James McBride
Media mentioned:
1- Wuthering Heights (2026)
2- Shrinking (Apple +, 2023 - present)
3- The Good Lord Bird (2020)
4- Jateska Cultural Center - https://jasteka.org
5- Artwork by Vian Sora - -https://jasteka.org/abcs-events
6- Run and Read Chicago - https://www.readandrunchicago.com
This week we talk to Rachel Ray, CEO of the International Book Project, a nonprofit organization in Lexington, KY that helps make book lovers out of people all over the world. She talks to us about the logistics of shipping books and how close relationships with the Peace Corps and other nonprofits help get English-language books into people’s hands.
And for our book recommendation section of the show, we are focusing on spies, but these definitely aren’t of the James Bond variety. We offer up 6 book suggestions that stretch our understanding of an espionage story. We are light on books set during the Cold War or World War II but instead focus on outside-the-box spy characters.
Books Mentioned in this Episode:
1- A Dark Room in Glitter Ball City by David Dominé
2- The White Heart of the Mojave: An Adventure with the Outdoors of the Desert by Edna Brush Perkins
3- Ghost Town Living: Mining for Purpose and Chasing Dreams on the Edge of Death Valley by Brent Underwood
4- Guards, Guards! (Discworld series) by Terry Pratchett
5- The Storyteller of Casablanca by Fiona Valley
6- Poets Square: A Memoir in Thirty Cats by Courtney Gustafson
7- A Five Star Read by Fellow Book Lover Jenni Scott @storytimereviews - Theo of Golden by Allen Levi
8- Oxford Soju Club by Jinwoo Park
9- Who is Vera Kelly? by Rosalie Knecht
10- An Extraordinary Union by Alyssa Cole
11- Liar and Spy by Rebecca Stead
12- Mr. Nice Spy by Tiana Smith
13- The Faithful Spy: Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Plot to Kill Hitler by John Hendrix
Media Mentioned:
1- Murder in Glitterball City (HBO Max 2026)
2- John Hendrix's link to The Faithful Spy research - https://goose-hawk-c589.squarespace.com/bonhoeffer-research
“Perky” Pets
When COVID happened, like everyone who had to learn a new way of doing things, The Perks learned how to record remotely. And that has changed who participates in our recording. It is always Carrie, Amy, and our guest, but the behind-the-scenes guests are dogs, cats, ferrets, and whatever other animal is in our homes. These pets sometimes make an appearance on the show because they bark, meow, sniffle against the mics, or flop down on the keyboards during recording. We decided they need to come out from behind the mic and get their just rewards. Plus who doesn’t need some cute animal pics?
Gypsy is “Chief Wellness Officer” for Bethany Planton, a grant writing consultant who has a special book club with some of her grant-writing colleagues. Gypsy is an 11-year-old black lab mix who was adopted from Tyson’s Chance.
Stella is the housemate of costume designer and author Jacqueline Firkins, and yes, Stella’s name does come from the theater (Tennessee Williams’ A Streetcar Named Desire). Jacqueline loves spoiling Stella which includes having 1/3 of her small house built of dog toys.
These two adopted rescue pups belong to Australian reader Lily Raiti. “They want nothing but to please us and were very easy to train,” Lily says. “They are inseparable and love playing chase with each other.”
Pippin belongs to former guest and horror enthusiast Johann Trotter. “He’s a working cocker spaniel. He is very much a Hobbit who enjoys second breakfast and home comforts,” she says.
Gizmo is a 13-year-old Papillon who enjoys daytime naps and randomly whining at his owner, Stacie Dotson from The Willard Library, to ensure she is still his faithful servant.
Nickelby is the pet of former guest Tyler Miller, founder of Reluctant Reader Books. Like his owner, Nickelby has a love of literature because he is named after Charles Dickens’ character, Nicholas Nickelby.
Nora is the canine fashionista whose wardrobe assistant is Perks guest and editor in chief of Salon.com, Erin Keane.
Perks guest Susan Rogers does not have a furry friend in her home now, but Gina was her beloved pet for many years. “She was a Boston terrier whose face became the mascot for the band Geggy Tai in the 1990s,” Susan says.
While former guest Sean Petrie of Typewriter Rodeo doesn’t have his own pet, he has a connection with his neighbor, Terra. “I play ball/fetch with Terra nearly every day. She’s the inspiration for a poem in Pet Poems called “Ball is ALL,” he says.
Archie is the handsome canine lead in the happily ever after with former guest Natalie Martin’s family. He is a 4-year-old mixed breed who “hates water, loves camping, always want to be touching me, and loves watermelon, broccoli, and anything that stinks,” Natalie says.
Haggis, who recently passed away at age 14, was the beloved pet of writer and former guest Shelley Sackier. “He was the best dog I ever had,” she says.
Mavis is just one of former guest Erin Flanagan’s pets. The household includes two cats, Belle and Mickey, and a poodle named Lorna.
Cleopatra Ginger Moses is an 8-year-old ginger and white shorthair who shares a home with former guest Cassie Moses and her family. Even though the youngest Moses sister is allergic to cats, they are able to keep Cleo because they vacuum a TON. But Cleo is worth it.
Daisy is the Boston terrier that has author and guest Bobi Conn’s heart. Daisy’s favorite spot is behind Bobi and between whatever Bobi is trying to lean again when she is sitting.
Betty Sue belongs to author and former guest Melissa Hart and will eat mealworms from her hands.
Lizzy is a golden doodle who lives with former guest and author Katy Yocom. Lizzy likes to pretend she is a super spy by blending into her surroundings…like this carpet.
Apollo lives with former guest Angela Jackson-Brown whose book The Light Always Breaks recently released. She says that Apollo “is a passionate, fun-loving, slightly neurotic two-year-old Border Collie who loves good food, playing with ‘his person’ (Robert) and staring lovingly over the fence at the dog next door.”
Harley is a quarter horse who readers meet when they read Courtney Maum’s memoir, Year of the Horses.
Mouse is one of the three bookstore cats at Cupboard Maker Books in Enola, PA. He is the youngest and a pretty successful mouser.
Bertie is a five-year-old West Highland terrier who oversees Kate Wickers and her family in Windsor, England. He may be slightly peeved that he doesn’t get to go on fabulous trips with his people.
Kyle belongs to Donna Gordon, author of What Ben Franklin Would Have Told Me. She says he’s a people cat who behaves more like a dog. She says, “He loves ice cream, yogurt, and a place at the table doing family dinners and book club discussions.”
These cuties live with former guest Sarah Munroe, acquisitions editor and marketing manager at West Virginia University Press. Together, this duo keeps an eye on the chickens, Harry, Larry, Dreama, Phil, and Charlie.
Amy’s daughter is fostering these two kittens. They are siblings, and their personalities are a little Bart and Lisa Simpson. He is just silly, and she is planning to take over the world.
Former guest Namrata Patel doesn’t have a pet, but her literary inspiration was this Wally who belongs to a friend of hers in Portland, Oregon. Wally is a little bit naughty but very friendly.
You would expect a mystery writer to have a cat named Mycroft, wouldn’t you? This Mycroft (not Sherlock’s brother) lives with Jess Montgomery, our former guest. She inherited Mycroft from her daughter who headed to the military.
Gilbert is the adorable doggo of former guest Court Stevens. He is training to be a therapy dog and library friend and accompanies Court on her visits to schools.
Chelsea Hofmann, creator of Thrillers By the Book Club, doesn’t have a pet, but she has licked a jellyfish when she lived in Palau in Micronesia. She had heard these jellyfish do not sting. As an avid scuba diver, this was an opportunity she couldn't pass up.
Mina Mayo (kitty) is named after the Dracula character Mina Harker AND the condiment, while Bella’s name was also inspired by a vampire book character. Bella loves nibbling on Mina’s neck, which Mina thinks makes an excellent massage. These animals belong to former guest Tabby Pawlitzki and her brother and SIL.
Estelle is the adorable pet of former guest Kim Vidrine and may well be the most spoiled guinea pig on the planet. Until very recently, Estelle was an audit student at Cedar Park High School in Texas where Kim teaches.
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